servicenow SAML 2 integration

Dave Perry Dave.Perry at
Fri May 9 06:32:47 EDT 2014

Side note - the use of 'pissing' and 'prick' triggered our spam filter's Swear In policy (usually I just get a daily email with messages I need to delete/release and can do this myself, but 2 of these messages caused virtual alarm bells).

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-----Original Message-----
From: users-bounces at [mailto:users-bounces at] On Behalf Of Michael R. Gettes
Sent: 08 May 2014 16:40
To: Shib Users
Subject: Re: servicenow SAML 2 integration

FWIW, I do not use saml2int… i find the people (vendors) i deal with tend not to understand stuff.  (i’m trying to be nice here).  the servicenow guys were certainly an exception - they had significant clue on real security issues as well as UI and all sorts of stuff.  I enjoyed my interactions with them.  And, those of you who know me, i’m a prick when it comes to vendors (no further comment please, I know i tee’d one up for many of you).  If I ever need to really hit someone over the head with standards and tech stuff, I’m gonna bring in other schools and other experts cause just pointing to a document tends not to work these days… again, this is my opinion and my experience on how I solve problems with vendors.
I find this to be a rather sad state of affairs.

I can certainly imagine others being more successful than I employing tools like saml2int.


On May 8, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Cantor, Scott <cantor.2 at> wrote:

> On 5/8/14, 10:16 AM, "Michael R. Gettes" <gettes at> wrote:
>> as a couple of folks have askedŠ  here is the contract language we use.
>> When the company refuses to do InCommon we come up something custom 
>> but along similar lines.  From my experience I have decided to NOT 
>> promote SAML in contract and to specify shibboleth compatibility 
>> because I have had too many cases of a vendor saying ³we do SAML² and 
>> then it becomes a pissing contest on what means SAML so I decided to 
>> pursue the product compatibility path and I have had much greater success with this path.
> Coincidentally, I was recently discussing internally whether to invest 
> any cycles in updating the saml2int profile, which you probably recall 
> was intended to help with that problem. It would be useful to me to 
> know if people are using that for this kind of purpose. If not, it's 
> not a good use of the project's time to bother with it.
> -- Scott
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