[osidm4he-stratorg] CIFER / Shib

[Michael Schwartz]

Shib development team,

I have no idea if the politics of this suggestion are even remotely 
feasible, but...

What if InCommon added a $350 "tax" per IDP/SP, with proceeds going back 
to the Shib Foundation? This would raise $100k. It is a very reasonable 
annual software maintenance price for something as mission critical as 
Shib. And if federations in other countries and markets follwed the lead 
of paying back "something," it could provide at least a basic model for 
supporting this important project...

I wish Gluu had more budget to support the project... Gluu has special EDU 
pricing, and I'd be willing to consider adding a fee supplement per IDP 
which goes back to the Shib project. But we've only sold 10 universites so 
far, so I don't think this would be enough.

thx,

Mike Schwartz




On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Keith Hazelton wrote:

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> On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:25:01, Chad La Joie wrote:
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>> Well, so what are you going to do about it?  You (Keith) are probably
>> one of the few people on this list who actually could sway some people
>> in their organization.
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> Which organization?  UW-Madison, maybe.  Internet2? Not likely.  InCommon? I can talk, not sure how much I can sway.  And it seems to me in the particular case of Shib, the first order of importance is to sway Internet2.  Tactically, I think it's essential to first do our level best to get I2 to step up more decisively and clearly.  I don't want I2 to say, "Well, the Shib Consortium is something that our individual members sign up for. We (I2) don't." That would be a very unfortunate outcome.
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>>  I'm not trying to pick on you but a general
>> "yeah, something should be done *hand wave* *hand wave*" doesn't
>> actually get anything done.
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> Chad, I appreciate your frustration on behalf of the Shib venture.  But discussions always precede action. It's not sufficient, but it's necessary.  I don't think there's broad enough recognition of the problem you raise and discussion is an essential step toward addressing that.     --Keith
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>> To be a bit of a downer, I would say that if people looked at the past
>> funding of open source projects within I2, it's not a great track
>> record.  And, if CIFER is really going to deliver all that it claims
>> it's going to be a project larger than all the existing and past
>> projects combined.  So, long term (10-15 year) funding streams is
>> definitely something that group should worry about.  That's not really
>> a topic for this list, but just an observation since it was brought up
>> here.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Keith Hazelton <hazelton at doit.wisc.edu> wrote:
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>>> Yes, this kerfuffle calls up the concerns over sustainability that CIFER has encountered.  I know there are lots of factors at play here and it's not a simple picture.  However, if the global higher ed and research communities are SEEN to be struggling to support something as ubiquitous and valuable as the Shibboleth project and package, we will have trouble saying "Let's do more open source infrastructure development!"
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>>>          --Keith
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>>> On Aug 8, 2012, at 09:49:07, Benn Oshrin wrote:
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>>>> For those not on the shib-dev list, there's a thread innocuously titled "IdP 3 Release Date?" discussing the tenuous funding situation for Shib.
>>>>
>>>> CIFER overlap anyone?
>>>>
>>>> -Benn-
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