Installing Windows IdP v4 on Server Core

[Steven Teixeira]

> I would say that if you file an RFE there will be really good chance of that being the case.

Rod, I can file whatever you require, but I confess, I'm not sure what you mean.  Do you mean just open a Jira issue for the IdP Project on shibboleth.atlassian.net?  If so, what type (New Feature, Improvement, etc.)?

> Our intent with V5 is likely to sever the installers for the IdP and Jetty
> the native zip is just more functional and simpler when it comes to unattended use
> Longer term I would still rather shift to embedding Jetty anyway

Ultimately, I really don't mind how this is all installed, and it's not at all my intention to make life any harder than it needs to be for either the developers or the deployers.  All I really care about are these high-level goals:

1. If the web server component of the IdP and the IdP are bundled together at least in some way, we don't have to maintain knowledge and expertise on more than we absolutely have to.  Most unfortunately, maintaining our IdP only accounts for _maybe_ 15% of our time constraints and other responsibilities.  I get the feeling that we're not alone in that regrettable situation.
2. Due to said time constraints and other responsibilities, we automate wherever possible, so we feed most everything into scripts and "runbooks" wherever possible instead of manually installing and configuring.  Being able to install the IdP with bundled web server component in this way has been helpful.  So far, it's just been calling the msi with some properties.  If the "how" changes in V5 for both the IdP itself and the web server component, and we can still automate the installation without an msi, but still with the help of some good deployer documentation on the wiki for simpletons like myself, then I'm sure we'll get it to work.

I would also be willing to help in any way I can on the Windows side in testing installations prior to v5 general release.

Steven Teixeira

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>    Rod, FWIW, I'm clinging to hope that we can still install the IdP 
> in Windows via command line/PowerShell with at least the bundled Jetty.

Our intent with V5 is likely to sever the installers for the IdP and Jetty, so that if, as one assumes, we do decide to keep providing a Jetty package, it's going to be separate so that they aren't being versioned together.

The other reason is to emphasize the pointlessness of the IdP installer, since the native zip is just more functional and simpler when it comes to unattended use. Whether that leads to actually just dropping the MSI for the IdP itself I don't know, but getting Jetty out of there creates options we don't have with them combined.

Longer term I would still rather shift to embedding Jetty anyway, which would then lead to dropping the Jetty installer, and if we get rid of both MSIs, everything is just much simpler during releases.

-- Scott


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