[osidm4he-stratorg] CIFER / Shib

[Chad La Joie]

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Keith Hazelton <hazelton at doit.wisc.edu> wrote:
> Which organization?  UW-Madison, maybe.

I was think UW only.

> Internet2? Not likely.  InCommon? I can talk, not sure how much I can sway.  And it seems to > me in the particular case of Shib, the first order of importance is to sway Internet2.  Tactically, > I think it's essential to first do our level best to get I2 to step up more decisively and clearly.  I > don't want I2 to say, "Well, the Shib Consortium is something that our individual members sign > up for. We (I2) don't." That would be a very unfortunate outcome.

Yeah, I wasn't talking I2/InC.  I would be amazed if any single person
could effect any change there.  And, as best as I can tell, what you
described as the "unfortunate outcome" is, in fact, their position.

>>  I'm not trying to pick on you but a general
>> "yeah, something should be done *hand wave* *hand wave*" doesn't
>> actually get anything done.
>
> Chad, I appreciate your frustration on behalf of the Shib venture.  But discussions always precede action. It's not sufficient, but it's necessary.  I don't think there's broad enough recognition of the problem you raise and discussion is an essential step toward addressing that.

Well, it's been brought up on the various lists a couple times over
the last year and it's been discussed ad nauseum internally for 3
years now.  What I was picking up on though was the response from the
thread you referenced though which was "yeah, some one should do
something about this, but I can't".  And I totally understand that
most people on this can't, in fact, write a check on behalf of their
organization.

So, now we, the Shib folks, are in the position were one of our
"partners" doesn't follow through with things they say and chastises
us if we suggest or actually do contact US universities directly.  So,
you know, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

-- 
Chad La Joie
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