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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Same. Depending on the magnitude of the changes we’ll switch over to another server (with the obvious side effect of failed SSO)… but that’s rare.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’m curious what the context of the comment was.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lee Foltz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shib Users <users@shibboleth.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: I love reloadable services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We use these all the time and nice not taking the service down or restarting shib.<o:p></o:p></p>
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ReloadableCASServiceRegistry<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:05 PM Jesse Martinich <<a href="mailto:martinicj@sou.edu">martinicj@sou.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#888888">Southern Oregon University</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#888888"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#888888">| 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:02 PM IAM David Bantz <<a href="mailto:dabantz@alaska.edu" target="_blank">dabantz@alaska.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've meant to reply to an off-hand comment Scott made several weeks ago<br>
now regarding reloadable services being perhaps of diminished importance as<br>
folks go all in on DevOps: PLEASE, NO! <br>
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While DevOps has incredible mind share as current best practice, when I<br>
sketch the additional infrastructure I would need to go all in for running our IdP<br>
in that mode, it's 4 -10 times the number of "moving parts" of infrastructure and tools
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needing deployment and maintenance.<br>
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My tiny environment of 1 active and 1 hot standby IdP nodes, using reloadable<br>
services, has not had an unplanned outage in nearly a decade, and I can<br>
deploy new integrations for services configured even roughly correctly on same day.<br>
There is no way on earth I could do this in full DevOps mode when I reflect that<br>
deploying a suitable new VM for v3 IdP took over 1 year.<br>
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I appreciate people's interest in scalable DevOps, but it may not be the only<br>
reasonable model for small scale deployments with very modest resources.<br>
The use of reloadable resources has incredible utility and value for smaller<br>
scale operations - and they are crucial for wider adoption and reliance on Shibboleth IdP.<br>
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Thank you!<br>
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