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<div>This insight is very helpful.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>users <<a href="mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net">users-bounces@shibboleth.net</a>> on behalf of "Losen, Stephen C. (scl)" <<a href="mailto:scl@virginia.edu">scl@virginia.edu</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"<a href="mailto:users@shibboleth.net">users@shibboleth.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:users@shibboleth.net">users@shibboleth.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, July 20, 2018 at 5:41 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:users@shibboleth.net">users@shibboleth.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:users@shibboleth.net">users@shibboleth.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[Ext] RE: nelnet?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Bryan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We use nelnet, but we are not using SAML (yet) for authentication to Peoplesoft. Nelnet backchannel requests are always POSTs and all requests contain the nelnet
username/password in the POST data. Not sure if this nugget of info helps you at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We reverse proxy through a F5 bigip to Peoplesoft and we have an iRule that recognizes the nelnet host source IPs and examines the POST data for a valid nelnet
username/password. The iRule also uses a pattern match to restrict which URLs nelnet can request. If all looks good to the iRule then it passes the request through to Peoplesoft, which independently checks the username/password in the POST data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">F5 supports SAML, so down the road we will likely set up SAML on the F5 and I hope that we can use an iRule or something to conditionally bypass SAML for nelnet
requests, and continue to handle them as we do now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Stephen C. Losen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">ITS - Systems and Storage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">University of Virginia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:scl@virginia.edu">scl@virginia.edu</a> 434-924-0640<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> users [<a href="mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net">mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bryan Wooten<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:users@shibboleth.net">users@shibboleth.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> nelnet?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Fellow Higher Ed folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Today I learned we are engaging nelnet.com. They are apparently an Incommon member, so they do SAML and should understand Shib.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I spent an hour with one of our Peoplesoft system analysts trying to understand what nelnet expected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">And what I learned is that they wanted to make a call (think URL, not Restful/Webservice/SOAP) to one of our Peoplesoft content providers to get student loan/payment/parking/housing
payment info. Backchannel. They provide the backend Peoplecode at the endpoint.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Via a URL protected by our CAS SSO… Which is set up to work with people to enter credentials/MFA, not system accounts or anything web service related.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">So I kindly ask for any experiences with this vendor and how I should proceed to make this project successful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Bryan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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