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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I tried sending this off-list but my saved email address for you seems to be dead (used Andi’s command).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">HTH,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Room L34 - Queens Gardens Library<br>
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Extension 2230 / Direct Dial 01482 381930<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">
users [mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Todd, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 February 2017 10:00<br>
<b>To:</b> Shib Users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Please help reduce SAML 1 usage in the UK federation (was: SAML1.1 attribute release on Shib 3)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Alex<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Not running a Shib IdP but still this is the list of SPs we had to specify SAML1.1 for on our PingFederate IdP<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">James<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">_____________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">James Todd | Data Centre & Operations Analyst<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Edinburgh Napier University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Craiglockhart Campus<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Edinburgh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">EH14 1DJ <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Tel: 0131 455 4313<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Email: <a href="mailto:j.todd@napier.ac.uk">
j.todd@napier.ac.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: users [<a href="mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net">mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net</a>] On Behalf Of Alex Stuart<br>
Sent: 16 February 2017 17:38<br>
To: Shib Users <<a href="mailto:users@shibboleth.net">users@shibboleth.net</a>><br>
Subject: Please help reduce SAML 1 usage in the UK federation (was: SAML1.1 attribute release on Shib 3)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I'd just like to outline what the UK federation been doing to deal with its chronic SAML 1 usage, and I have a request for assistance to Shibboleth IdP operators.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Some history: By the end of 2013, all entities registered in the UK federation had a directly embedded key, enabling IdPs to encrypt SAML 2 assertions to SPs, although we had approximately 250 registered IdPs
and 100 SPs that did not support SAML 2. Since then, we've been slowly chipping away at the SAML 1-only entities. In 2016, we made an effort to obtain SAML 2 metadata for all entities and we are now in the position that less than 2% of registered entities
(22 SPs and 14 IdPs) do not support SAML 2 in metadata.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Even so, we know that SAML 1 is still being used by SPs which appear to support SAML 2: because SPs use the WAYF protocol with our Central Discovery Service; from discussion here; and because we have many calls
to the service desk about SAML 1 Attribute Queries.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I've asked some IdP operators if they can provide anonymised data on SPs that are using SAML 1. I intend to collate the results, draw up a prioritised list, and work with the SP operators to reduce SAML 1 usage.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">If you're running a Shibboleth IdP in the UK federation and wish to help us, please let me know directly or through the UK federation service desk (<a href="mailto:service@ukfederation.org.uk"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">service@ukfederation.org.uk</span></a>)
which SPs are using SAML 1 with your IdP. Even better, by providing frequencies of SAML 1 and SAML 2 usage, we can determine whether there are conditions that trigger SAML 1 in a predominantly SAML 2-using SP. The output from a command like these would be
super (it should output the SP entityID, the profiles used, and the number of each):
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">cat idp-audit.log | cut -d\| -f4,5 | sort | uniq -c<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">cat idp-audit-2017-01*.log | cut -d\| -f4,5 | sort | uniq -c<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Any advice appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Alex<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> On 15 Feb 2017, at 16:57, Todd, James <<a href="mailto:J.Todd@napier.ac.uk"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">J.Todd@napier.ac.uk</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> You'd be surprised, seems to be quite a few in the UK Federation that I've had to deal with in the last couple of months.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> From: users [<a href="mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net</span></a>] On Behalf Of Cantor,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> Scott<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> Sent: 15 February 2017 16:41<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> To: Shib Users <<a href="mailto:users@shibboleth.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">users@shibboleth.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> Subject: Re: SAML1.1 attribute release on Shib 3<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> On 2/15/17, 11:34 AM, "users on behalf of Morris, Andi" <<a href="mailto:users-bounces@shibboleth.net%20on%20behalf%20of%20amorris@cardiffmet.ac.uk"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">users-bounces@shibboleth.net
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">>> We configured the backchannel as per the Jetty config page on the
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">>> Shib wiki, so I would hope it is correct. I'll definitely look
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">>> further at that, as well as the metadata. We just used the default metadata created during the install (this is just a dev server).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> Is there really that much SAML 1 left you need to support? Your time may be better spent chasing down as many as you can and figuring out why they're using a 15 year old standard 12 years after it was replaced.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt">> I have basically two left myself: National Institutes of Health and OhioLink. Low enough volume that I can simply push the attributes and move on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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