From takeshi at nii.ac.jp  Wed Sep  6 16:45:21 2023
From: takeshi at nii.ac.jp (=?utf-8?B?6KW/5p2R44CA5YGl?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 01:45:21 +0900
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
Message-ID: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>

Are there any new messages that we should translate?

Best regards,
Takeshi

From cantor.2 at osu.edu  Wed Sep  6 16:51:00 2023
From: cantor.2 at osu.edu (Cantor, Scott)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:51:00 +0000
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
In-Reply-To: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>

> Are there any new messages that we should translate?

The relevant file is: idp-conf-impl/src/main/resources/net/shibboleth/idp/messages/messages.properties

According to history, there were no new messages added for V5. There's at least one (idp.logout.hidden) that I don't see in my translation files so I imagine there are some, but not specifically due to this release.

We're frozen, but I can pull in updated translations if they're ready soon.

-- Scott



From davide.vaghetti at garr.it  Thu Sep  7 08:53:18 2023
From: davide.vaghetti at garr.it (Davide Vaghetti)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 10:53:18 +0200
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
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References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
 <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>
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On 9/6/23 18:51, Cantor, Scott wrote:
>> Are there any new messages that we should translate?
> 
> The relevant file is: idp-conf-impl/src/main/resources/net/shibboleth/idp/messages/messages.properties
> 
> According to history, there were no new messages added for V5. There's at least one (idp.logout.hidden) that I don't see in my translation files so I imagine there are some, but not specifically due to this release.
> 
> We're frozen, but I can pull in updated translations if they're ready soon.
> 

I've checked the current translation for the Italian language and I've 
corrected a few typos, so yes if it is possible it would be great to 
include the update --- it's on Zanata, see 
https://translate.zanata.org/webtrans/translate?project=shib-idpv3-translations&iteration=4&localeId=it&locale=it-IT.

Moreover, I'd like to provide updated translations for 
attributes/eduPerson.xml and schac.xml as some of the Italian 
displayNames and descriptions are a bit cumbersome. Do you think it 
would be possible to include them as well in this release?

Cheers,
Davide


> -- Scott
> 
> 
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-- 
Davide Vaghetti
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From cantor.2 at osu.edu  Thu Sep  7 12:23:02 2023
From: cantor.2 at osu.edu (Cantor, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 12:23:02 +0000
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
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References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
 <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>
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>  it's on Zanata, see 

Sorry, but I'm getting nowhere downloading anything from that site. Please file an issue with the patch attached.

> Moreover, I'd like to provide updated translations for 
> attributes/eduPerson.xml and schac.xml as some of the Italian 
> displayNames and descriptions are a bit cumbersome. Do you think it 
> would be possible to include them as well in this release?

As long as that's the only diff, I can try, but time is extremely short for it.

-- Scott



From cantor.2 at osu.edu  Thu Sep  7 12:25:25 2023
From: cantor.2 at osu.edu (Cantor, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 12:25:25 +0000
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
In-Reply-To: <8E0E877A-2422-4263-BB20-67D87C875C93@osu.edu>
References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
 <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>
 <59efc8db-c24a-56de-7ab0-b41e24d0d1a3@garr.it>
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> As long as that's the only diff, I can try, but time is extremely short for it.

As in "today", basically. I'm OOO tomorrow and we're releasing next week.

-- Scott



From davide.vaghetti at garr.it  Thu Sep  7 12:31:37 2023
From: davide.vaghetti at garr.it (Davide Vaghetti)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 14:31:37 +0200
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
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References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
 <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>
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On 9/7/23 14:23, Cantor, Scott wrote:
>>   it's on Zanata, see
> 
> Sorry, but I'm getting nowhere downloading anything from that site. Please file an issue with the patch attached.

Sure, done: https://shibboleth.atlassian.net/browse/IDP-2170

> 
>> Moreover, I'd like to provide updated translations for
>> attributes/eduPerson.xml and schac.xml as some of the Italian
>> displayNames and descriptions are a bit cumbersome. Do you think it
>> would be possible to include them as well in this release?
> 
> As long as that's the only diff, I can try, but time is extremely short for it.

I'll open another issue for this in a couple of hours.

Thanks!
Davide

> 
> -- Scott
> 
> 

-- 
Davide Vaghetti
Consortium GARR
Mobile: +393357779542
Skype: daserzw
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From davide.vaghetti at garr.it  Thu Sep  7 12:31:57 2023
From: davide.vaghetti at garr.it (Davide Vaghetti)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 14:31:57 +0200
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
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On 9/7/23 14:25, Cantor, Scott wrote:
>> As long as that's the only diff, I can try, but time is extremely short for it.
> 
> As in "today", basically. I'm OOO tomorrow and we're releasing next week.

+1

Davide
> 
> -- Scott
> 
> 

-- 
Davide Vaghetti
Consortium GARR
Mobile: +393357779542
Skype: daserzw
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From lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch  Fri Sep  8 09:14:18 2023
From: lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?Lukas_H=C3=A4mmerle?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 11:14:18 +0200
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
In-Reply-To: <59efc8db-c24a-56de-7ab0-b41e24d0d1a3@garr.it>
References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
 <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>
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On a more general note:
The Zanata translation web service has been in maintenance-only mode 
(see https://translate.zanata.org) for quite some time. This means no 
new translators can be added and apparently also adding new versions 
won't work. It's likely that the service will be shut down at some point.

So, we should find another translation service for the Shibboleth 
project. Anybody has some recommendations for an alternative service?

Best Regards
Lukas

-- 
SWITCH
Lukas H?mmerle, Trust & Identity
Werdstrasse 2, P.O. Box, 8021 Zurich, Switzerland
+41 44 268 15 64  lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch  http://www.switch.ch


From lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch  Wed Sep 13 07:56:06 2023
From: lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?Lukas_H=C3=A4mmerle?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:56:06 +0200
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
In-Reply-To: <91d9c9c6-1a55-4f6d-8c25-86dc41929557@switch.ch>
References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
 <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>
 <59efc8db-c24a-56de-7ab0-b41e24d0d1a3@garr.it>
 <91d9c9c6-1a55-4f6d-8c25-86dc41929557@switch.ch>
Message-ID: <808e75b0-4466-4a9e-9f79-b929df4cb403@switch.ch>

On finding a successor service for the discontinued Zanata.com service:

On 08.09.23 11:14, Lukas H?mmerle wrote:
> So, we should find another translation service for the Shibboleth 
> project. Anybody has some recommendations for an alternative service?

I had a closer look at some tools that offer translation services for 
free for open source projects. A good candidate with a promising list of 
features is: https://crowdin.com/

"We support the open source community. If you're building awesome 
non-profit projects that could use the power of Crowdin, we're happy to 
help with this free option. Make your content multilingual to reach a 
global audience."

@Scott: Would crowdin.com be something that the Shibboleth project would 
be willing to use and would the Shibboleth project meet the 9 
requirements listed here 
https://crowdin.com/page/open-source-project-setup-request ? Or does the 
project have other ideas how translation could be managed?

Best Regards
Lukas


-- 
SWITCH
Lukas H?mmerle, Trust & Identity
Werdstrasse 2, P.O. Box, 8021 Zurich, Switzerland
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From cantor.2 at osu.edu  Wed Sep 13 12:35:40 2023
From: cantor.2 at osu.edu (Cantor, Scott)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:35:40 +0000
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
In-Reply-To: <808e75b0-4466-4a9e-9f79-b929df4cb403@switch.ch>
References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
 <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>
 <59efc8db-c24a-56de-7ab0-b41e24d0d1a3@garr.it>
 <91d9c9c6-1a55-4f6d-8c25-86dc41929557@switch.ch>
 <808e75b0-4466-4a9e-9f79-b929df4cb403@switch.ch>
Message-ID: <EADDB7F5-4CC9-4F5A-B844-C24746873B09@osu.edu>

> @Scott: Would crowdin.com be something that the Shibboleth project
> would be willing to use and would the Shibboleth project meet the 9
> requirements listed here?

We weren't really involved in setting anything up to this point (apart from this mailing list obviously).

Strictly speaking, at least 2 of those requirements wouldn't be met (there are people who build commercial products on our code and we don?t have a "NEWS" section or even a real web site that is managed by the project (the www site is for the consortium). I doubt they would care all that much, they just want publicity from use of their product.

> Or does the project have other ideas how translation could be managed?

I have no experience in it at all, none of these tools are familiar to me.

If it's somethiing you want to use, I can do it, but I have to create an account, etc., so I don't want to take the time unless it's something people are going to use.

I would suggest making sure initially that e.g. it doesn't assume code lives in GitHub or something silly like that. A lot of the "free" tools for things in the cloud tend to break as soon as you don't.

-- Scott



