From lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch  Tue Nov 21 12:55:09 2023
From: lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?Lukas_H=C3=A4mmerle?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:55:09 +0100
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
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Hi Scott (and Shibboleth translators)

On 13.09.23 14:35, Cantor, Scott wrote:
>> @Scott: Would crowdin.com be something that the Shibboleth project 
>> would be willing to use and would the Shibboleth project meet the
>> 9 requirements listed here?
> 
> We weren't really involved in setting anything up to this point
> (apart from this mailing list obviously).

The "setting up" part could be outsourced like for Zanata. I would be 
happy to help there. That is after some initialization done by the 
Shibboleth project, which is required by crowdin.com


> Strictly speaking, at least 2 of those requirements wouldn't be met
> (there are people who build commercial products on our code and we
> don?t have a "NEWS" section or even a real web site that is managed
> by the project (the www site is for the consortium). I doubt they
> would care all that much, they just want publicity from use of their
> product.

I suspect their evaluation of these points would not be that strict. 
Certainly worth a try if people think this is worth a try.


>> Or does the project have other ideas how translation could be
>> managed?
> 
> I have no experience in it at all, none of these tools are familiar
> to me.

Ok. Well, as native English speaker i18n is probably not your top 
priority ;-) So, no surpise there.


> If it's somethiing you want to use, I can do it, but I have to create
> an account, etc., so I don't want to take the time unless it's
> something people are going to use.

What do the Shibboleth translators think? Is it worth setting up a new 
translation service as successor to Zanata, which is no longer 
maintained? Does your federation use the default Shibboleth translation 
files or distribute a localized translation package?


These are btw. the languages for which translations were created for the 
  Shibboleth IdP be the following honorable people:

cs - Czech
----------
* Jan Oppolzer, CESNET, CZ
* Jan Tom??ek, CESNET, CZ

de - German
-----------
* Martin Haase, DAASI, DE
* Lukas H?mmerle, SWITCH, CH
* Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, CH

de_CH - German
--------------
* Lukas H?mmerle, SWITCH, CH
* Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, CH

es - Spanish
------------
* Emilio Penna, Universidad de la Rep?blica, UY

fr - French
-----------
* Anass Chabli, RENATER, FR
* Etienne Dysli-Metref, SWITCH, CH
* Mehdi Hached, RENATER, FR
* Olivier Sala?n, RENATER, FR

gr - Greek
----------
* Ioannis Kakavas, GRNET, GR

it - Italian
------------
* Davide Vaghetti, GARR, IT

ja - Japanese
-------------
* Takeshi Nishimura, NII, JP

lt - Lithuanian
---------------
* Andrius Kulbis, Kaunas University of Technology (KTU), LT

pl - Polish
-----------
* Maja Gorecka-Wolniewicz, Nicolaus Copernicus University, PL

pt-BR - Brazillian Portuguese
-----------------------------
* Gabriel Kwiecinski Antunes, Universidade Federal da Fronteira Sul, BR

sv - Swedish
------------
* P?l Axelsson, SWAMID, SE

tr - Turkish
------------
* F?rat Ko?ak, ?zmir Institute of Technology, TR

zh_CN - Chinese, Simplified
---------------------------
* Donghua Li, ynu.edu.cn, CN




-- 
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From davide.vaghetti at garr.it  Tue Nov 21 13:24:24 2023
From: davide.vaghetti at garr.it (Davide Vaghetti)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 14:24:24 +0100
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
In-Reply-To: <d8fdb96f-8b71-483a-a6e4-2db1515014bf@switch.ch>
References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
 <C138A8FF-70A2-45B1-9D8E-9DF635A7A5D4@osu.edu>
 <59efc8db-c24a-56de-7ab0-b41e24d0d1a3@garr.it>
 <91d9c9c6-1a55-4f6d-8c25-86dc41929557@switch.ch>
 <808e75b0-4466-4a9e-9f79-b929df4cb403@switch.ch>
 <EADDB7F5-4CC9-4F5A-B844-C24746873B09@osu.edu>
 <d8fdb96f-8b71-483a-a6e4-2db1515014bf@switch.ch>
Message-ID: <cd30f140-0e3a-443c-b340-e4285b630a5b@garr.it>

Hi Lukas, all,

first of all thanks for taking care.

My 2 cents are that I think it is worth trying the tool, but I would 
already set up a simple plan B: if the tool fails somehow, we could just 
set up a simple github repository with all the .po files and a template.

Best,
Davide

On 21/11/23 13:55, Lukas H?mmerle wrote:
> Hi Scott (and Shibboleth translators)
> 
> On 13.09.23 14:35, Cantor, Scott wrote:
>>> @Scott: Would crowdin.com be something that the Shibboleth project 
>>> would be willing to use and would the Shibboleth project meet the
>>> 9 requirements listed here?
>>
>> We weren't really involved in setting anything up to this point
>> (apart from this mailing list obviously).
> 
> The "setting up" part could be outsourced like for Zanata. I would be 
> happy to help there. That is after some initialization done by the 
> Shibboleth project, which is required by crowdin.com
> 
> 
>> Strictly speaking, at least 2 of those requirements wouldn't be met
>> (there are people who build commercial products on our code and we
>> don?t have a "NEWS" section or even a real web site that is managed
>> by the project (the www site is for the consortium). I doubt they
>> would care all that much, they just want publicity from use of their
>> product.
> 
> I suspect their evaluation of these points would not be that strict. 
> Certainly worth a try if people think this is worth a try.
> 
> 
>>> Or does the project have other ideas how translation could be
>>> managed?
>>
>> I have no experience in it at all, none of these tools are familiar
>> to me.
> 
> Ok. Well, as native English speaker i18n is probably not your top 
> priority ;-) So, no surpise there.
> 
> 
>> If it's somethiing you want to use, I can do it, but I have to create
>> an account, etc., so I don't want to take the time unless it's
>> something people are going to use.
> 
> What do the Shibboleth translators think? Is it worth setting up a new 
> translation service as successor to Zanata, which is no longer 
> maintained? Does your federation use the default Shibboleth translation 
> files or distribute a localized translation package?
> 
> 
> These are btw. the languages for which translations were created for the 
>  ?Shibboleth IdP be the following honorable people:
> 
> cs - Czech
> ----------
> * Jan Oppolzer, CESNET, CZ
> * Jan Tom??ek, CESNET, CZ
> 
> de - German
> -----------
> * Martin Haase, DAASI, DE
> * Lukas H?mmerle, SWITCH, CH
> * Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, CH
> 
> de_CH - German
> --------------
> * Lukas H?mmerle, SWITCH, CH
> * Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, CH
> 
> es - Spanish
> ------------
> * Emilio Penna, Universidad de la Rep?blica, UY
> 
> fr - French
> -----------
> * Anass Chabli, RENATER, FR
> * Etienne Dysli-Metref, SWITCH, CH
> * Mehdi Hached, RENATER, FR
> * Olivier Sala?n, RENATER, FR
> 
> gr - Greek
> ----------
> * Ioannis Kakavas, GRNET, GR
> 
> it - Italian
> ------------
> * Davide Vaghetti, GARR, IT
> 
> ja - Japanese
> -------------
> * Takeshi Nishimura, NII, JP
> 
> lt - Lithuanian
> ---------------
> * Andrius Kulbis, Kaunas University of Technology (KTU), LT
> 
> pl - Polish
> -----------
> * Maja Gorecka-Wolniewicz, Nicolaus Copernicus University, PL
> 
> pt-BR - Brazillian Portuguese
> -----------------------------
> * Gabriel Kwiecinski Antunes, Universidade Federal da Fronteira Sul, BR
> 
> sv - Swedish
> ------------
> * P?l Axelsson, SWAMID, SE
> 
> tr - Turkish
> ------------
> * F?rat Ko?ak, ?zmir Institute of Technology, TR
> 
> zh_CN - Chinese, Simplified
> ---------------------------
> * Donghua Li, ynu.edu.cn, CN
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Davide Vaghetti
Consortium GARR
Mobile: +393357779542
Skype: daserzw
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From jan.oppolzer at cesnet.cz  Wed Nov 22 09:51:47 2023
From: jan.oppolzer at cesnet.cz (Jan Oppolzer)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:51:47 +0100
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
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Hi Lukas and all,

I don?t care about a service used for keeping translations up to date. Even a GitHub repository as Davide suggested works for me, although Zanata or a similar application is quite helpful.

Best regards,
Jan

> On 21. 11. 2023, at 14:24, Davide Vaghetti <davide.vaghetti at garr.it> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lukas, all,
> 
> first of all thanks for taking care.
> 
> My 2 cents are that I think it is worth trying the tool, but I would already set up a simple plan B: if the tool fails somehow, we could just set up a simple github repository with all the .po files and a template.
> 
> Best,
> Davide
> 
> On 21/11/23 13:55, Lukas H?mmerle wrote:
>> Hi Scott (and Shibboleth translators)
>> On 13.09.23 14:35, Cantor, Scott wrote:
>>>> @Scott: Would crowdin.com be something that the Shibboleth project would be willing to use and would the Shibboleth project meet the
>>>> 9 requirements listed here?
>>> 
>>> We weren't really involved in setting anything up to this point
>>> (apart from this mailing list obviously).
>> The "setting up" part could be outsourced like for Zanata. I would be happy to help there. That is after some initialization done by the Shibboleth project, which is required by crowdin.com
>>> Strictly speaking, at least 2 of those requirements wouldn't be met
>>> (there are people who build commercial products on our code and we
>>> don?t have a "NEWS" section or even a real web site that is managed
>>> by the project (the www site is for the consortium). I doubt they
>>> would care all that much, they just want publicity from use of their
>>> product.
>> I suspect their evaluation of these points would not be that strict. Certainly worth a try if people think this is worth a try.
>>>> Or does the project have other ideas how translation could be
>>>> managed?
>>> 
>>> I have no experience in it at all, none of these tools are familiar
>>> to me.
>> Ok. Well, as native English speaker i18n is probably not your top priority ;-) So, no surpise there.
>>> If it's somethiing you want to use, I can do it, but I have to create
>>> an account, etc., so I don't want to take the time unless it's
>>> something people are going to use.
>> What do the Shibboleth translators think? Is it worth setting up a new translation service as successor to Zanata, which is no longer maintained? Does your federation use the default Shibboleth translation files or distribute a localized translation package?
>> These are btw. the languages for which translations were created for the   Shibboleth IdP be the following honorable people:
>> cs - Czech
>> ----------
>> * Jan Oppolzer, CESNET, CZ
>> * Jan Tom??ek, CESNET, CZ
>> de - German
>> -----------
>> * Martin Haase, DAASI, DE
>> * Lukas H?mmerle, SWITCH, CH
>> * Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, CH
>> de_CH - German
>> --------------
>> * Lukas H?mmerle, SWITCH, CH
>> * Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, CH
>> es - Spanish
>> ------------
>> * Emilio Penna, Universidad de la Rep?blica, UY
>> fr - French
>> -----------
>> * Anass Chabli, RENATER, FR
>> * Etienne Dysli-Metref, SWITCH, CH
>> * Mehdi Hached, RENATER, FR
>> * Olivier Sala?n, RENATER, FR
>> gr - Greek
>> ----------
>> * Ioannis Kakavas, GRNET, GR
>> it - Italian
>> ------------
>> * Davide Vaghetti, GARR, IT
>> ja - Japanese
>> -------------
>> * Takeshi Nishimura, NII, JP
>> lt - Lithuanian
>> ---------------
>> * Andrius Kulbis, Kaunas University of Technology (KTU), LT
>> pl - Polish
>> -----------
>> * Maja Gorecka-Wolniewicz, Nicolaus Copernicus University, PL
>> pt-BR - Brazillian Portuguese
>> -----------------------------
>> * Gabriel Kwiecinski Antunes, Universidade Federal da Fronteira Sul, BR
>> sv - Swedish
>> ------------
>> * P?l Axelsson, SWAMID, SE
>> tr - Turkish
>> ------------
>> * F?rat Ko?ak, ?zmir Institute of Technology, TR
>> zh_CN - Chinese, Simplified
>> ---------------------------
>> * Donghua Li, ynu.edu.cn, CN
> 
> -- 
> Davide Vaghetti
> Consortium GARR
> Mobile: +393357779542
> Skype: daserzw
> _______________________________________________
> i18n mailing list
> i18n at shibboleth.net
> https://shibboleth.net/mailman/listinfo/i18n


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From lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch  Tue Nov 28 07:35:55 2023
From: lukas.haemmerle at switch.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?Lukas_H=C3=A4mmerle?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 08:35:55 +0100
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
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References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
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Thanks Davide and Jan for your feedback

On 22.11.23 10:51, Jan Oppolzer wrote:
> I don?t care about a service used for keeping translations up to
> date. Even a GitHub repository as Davide suggested works for me,
> although Zanata or a similar application is quite helpful.

It seems there is a slight preference for using a tool like crowdin.com 
but people would also be happy with a git repo to upload .po files for 
the localisations.

@Scott: In both cases some initialization/ground work would have to be 
done (register the project at 
https://crowdin.com/page/open-source-project-setup-request or provide a 
new git repo on https://git.shibboleth.net/git/).
What would be the developers team preferred choice? The Git repo seems 
simple enough but then again some permission management would be needed 
there to allow translators to push merge requests. Or how could this be 
efficiently dealt with?


Best Regards
Lukas

-- 
Lukas H?mmerle
Trust & Identity
M +41 44 268 15 15
T +41 44 268 15 64

Switch
Werdstrasse 2, P.O. Box, 8021 Zurich, Switzerland

https://switch.ch  https://swit.ch/linkedin


From cantor.2 at osu.edu  Tue Nov 28 13:46:48 2023
From: cantor.2 at osu.edu (Cantor, Scott)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:46:48 +0000
Subject: Translation of messages in Shibboleth IdP 5
In-Reply-To: <781afc14-f8c6-4f8b-beab-d31518e6e595@switch.ch>
References: <33C0EC57-7D04-4C79-B367-6B4047229825@nii.ac.jp>
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Message-ID: <250E3011-9E8A-4EB1-8DBA-BC7FB6AE4CD5@osu.edu>

> What would be the developers team preferred choice? The Git repo seems
> simple enough but then again some permission management would be
> needed there to allow translators to push merge requests. Or how could
> this be efficiently dealt with?

I would have a slight preference for just hosting it to avoid a repeat of this, but there is obviously a concern with the external access needed. We can do it if we choose to, but I don't know what others might think about it.

Let me bring it up this Friday on the next dev call and see what the project team thinks and we'll make a decision.

-- Scott



