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                                            <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">I like the shortcuts as well. I think this is particularly useful because other approaches require deployers to know the classpaths, and if those change, ;_; mortbay, hibernate. But this allows deployers to ignore implementation details when possible but examine them when necessary. I like the framework a lot.</p> 
                                            <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">I might bump idp.loglevel.opensaml down the list, since that's particularly verbose and used less often by deployers than, say, LDAP stuff. Sorry.</p> 
                                            <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">IdP, messages(assuming includes inbound AuthnRequests and outbound pre-encryption requests), and LDAP would be the three most widely used categories in that order in my experience.</p> 
                                            <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">The biggest generic complaint about logging is the general unpredictability and lack of proximity of error messages to the root cause. They seemed to be “closer together” in IdPv2. I think it’s pretty much going to take time to iron it down, and there may not be much you can do with Spring Webflow here beyond failing harder and faster, which is an obviously double-edged sword.</p> 
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